Several posters at Davidski's Eurogenes blog have noted that they've been banned from Anthrogenica for challenging the Kool-Aid drinking orthodoxy that infects that website.
The pattern almost always goes as follows. A regular Anthrogenica poster says something like, "Isn't the Kool-Aid grand?" A newcomer says, "I don't want to drink your Kool-Aid." The Anthrogenica regular says, "I'm right, you idiot." And then the newcomer says, "You're the idiot" -- and yep, you guessed it, only one of them gets banned.
It's gotten so bad that some of the best citizen-scientist minds, and almost all contrarian voices, are gone from that website. In the old days, the orthodoxy sought to excommunicate Galileo from the Catholic faith. Now they excommunicate posters from the major discussion websites. No dissent allowed.
With Dienekes inactive, Eurogenes is where many go for discussion. But Davidski has been very heavy with the censorship button there too. Post something he disagrees with? He removes your comment. It's really sad.
I myself have tried to post my most recent thread, about applying simple demographics to his "Conquest and Warfare" fantasies, and he always removes my comments asap.
What does that leave? Eupedia? Maciamo is a reductio ad absurdem idiot, who also doesn't hesitate to ban people with any contrarian viewpoint.
So, this is it. This is your thread. This thread (and this website) is for anyone Banned From Anthrogenica, or Censored by Eurogenes.
Post away. You will not be censored here.
Yes..i have experienced the same... it is quite concerning the the skill of debate is non existent when discussing theoretical ideas in the origins of various genetic groups. It is very clear that their is a bias with a cline to justify beliefs as opposed to being open minded to work with the evidence. Keep up the good work.
ReplyDeleteeupedia is defined by just one person "angela" who seems to live in her own world and doesnt come across as someone healthy, in fact sickening in every dimension.
ReplyDelete^true that
ReplyDeletethe "angela" is really mentally unstable and on eupedia 24/7 (i suspect vaginel hygenes as the reason). her behaviour on there is however only tolerated as a sort of comic relief which in its deranged nature (a deranged woman losing it completely) very entertaining.
LOL she banned me twice for nothing she doesnt like people from balkan but she is autistic so i forgive her LOL her pussy must be verrry dried up LOOOOL she stinks
DeleteAnthrogenica has been like that for a while now. In fact most of these DNA forums are full of bullies, amateurs who quote papers as if they really understand, and the what not. The best bet is to just stick with ftdna & ancestry forums. At least then the people are useful.
ReplyDeleteI forgot to include bullies, amateurs, social rejects looking for a pat on the back and people who are mentally deranged. Really you can't get a serious discussion on anthrogenica & if you know more than the "veterans" but are new they typically ignore you unless you post repeating or quote one of them & then the shit hits the fan.
DeleteAh finally someone who speaks the truth. Anthrogenica is full of pathetic bullies. I have personally, & heard from others, stories of belittling ignorant "experts" who think as they may have read a book or two they know more than someone from an ethnicity. Only an idiot thinks that.
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ReplyDeleteAnthrogenica is a forum where one must repeat what everyone else says & there is no room for originality, freedom of expression, etc.
ReplyDeleteThere is one member, MitchellSince1893 who desperately wants to be related to nobility/aristocracy - his basis for belief is a trollop (slut/easy) great-grandmother who worked/lived in a poor quarters, gave birth in the poor house (so she *was* dirt poor) & had a high probability of a pauper's burial had she not moved to the US - was kind enough to coin the general consensus of Anthrogenica just recently (if they don't delete it, it's a post entitled *For you old timers who can't resist taking the bait* in the Lounge section).
Generally the census of Anthrogenica has been, and has been for years, is genetics trumps everything. Culture, history, etc. This MitchellSince1893 refers to people who won't accept the Anthrogenica ideology - genetics over everything - condescendingly & comments that they are "a lost cause" in his option. Despite the fact that there is a lot of genetic overlap between countries so, for some, genetics alone is completely & utterly worthless.
In the end, and which many of the "old timers" agree with like good brainwashed sheep anyone who thinks outside of their little circuit is a "troll". He then continued to ask why do old posters with "large number of posts" continue to engage these trolls with their heretical ideology.
It's the general theme of the forum - hence why the posters with "large numbers of posts" continually attack anyone with an outside ideology even if the person is from the ethnicity in question & should have an idea of the culture, history, etc. beyond book introductions & wikipedia pages.
***should have an idea of the culture, history, etc. beyond book introductions & wikipedia pages. This means they'd have a better understanding of the genetics than some numbskull who thinks genetic samples taken at grand or maybe great-grandparent level is an accurate representation of a given region and/or culture.
ReplyDeleteAnthrogenica's a dump. Full of poorly educated people pretending to be educated - their understanding of statistics alone is shit for some of them claiming to have degrees that would involve statistic courses - people who should count themselves lucky their grandmothers knew who grandpa was. Most can't follow their lineage if you gave them a map, a compass & held their hands too.
ReplyDeleteAnd the others know pretty much nothing of history.
What's really annoying though is the ones desperate to be something they aren't.
There's one - Gwydion - in particular who stands out of this. Because he has no culture (no offense but what *is* Anglo-American culture? Cause seriously compared to other ethnic groups in America Anglo-American isn't much) he is extremely desperate to make himself distinctive. He wants to be Celtic. So extremely desperate that he takes a basic haplogroup & says he's Celtic. Thing is, to make any legitimate claim, he's got to do further testing.
The irony is is he's admitted to caring very little for modern Celtic populations and only cares for ancient ones. Likely because he knows a real Scotsman (his claimed ancestry) would laugh in his face if he tried calling himself Scottish. Culturally, after all, he's about as Scottish as an African is.
And that's something such Americans don't realize. Parts don't make a whole. Part Irish, part German, etc. doesn't make them Irish or German.
Anthrogenica is full of bullies, make believe researchers, self-claimed shoddy family genealogists, and people who have likely never read a history book. For example, they are recently having a decision about Celtic vs Germanic PCA involving ancient DNA.
ReplyDeleteSome goofball, of the never read a history book category, has commented that there were likely no Germanic Roman Gladiators. He, due to his high number of posts - that's how anthrogenica works, large post numbers & older members get a pat on the back and praise while new members are often stamped down unless they as poorly educated as the others - got a number of thumbs up. It's too bad that a number of historical recounts & books mention how the Romans encountered the Franks and other Germanic tribes. Now seeing as the Romans turned their own [upstart, rebellious, troublesome] brethren into gladiators it doesn't take a genius to realize that there had to have been captured Germanic Frankish & other peoples who likewise became gladiators.
How can they justify that when one of the Driffield Terrace skeletons were U106. Isn't U106 on of the posited Germanic clades? Driffeild Skeletons are presumed to be either soldiers or gladiators (most likely) during Roman rule. Therefore the skeletal remains aren't likely to be Saxon. Also carbon dating reinforces the correct time frame.
DeleteDan - that's the thing about anthrogenica. A lot of their slap together claims - and this applies to almost everything as a number just skim the scientific studies they quote/lunk but they don't understand what's exactly being said- can't be explained, justified or even taken seriously if a person is educated, reads up on stuff, or can think for themselves. Then there is actual likely evidence to discredit such claims as you mentioned & it's not "new" evidence either.
DeleteBut take as another example of anthrogenica's hogpogde knowledge & shoddy ill researched/can't be backed claims. The Picts. There was another fool on anthrogenica who maintained the Roman claims of "naked" (the actual claims say half dressed) men living in the wilds of Scotland unprotected (the actual Roman claims mention shelters/teepees used) outrageous. As like the "no German gladiators" guy this one going on about the Picts/Roman's is older/has multiple posts thus plenty of thumbs up agreement. It was pathetic how no one responded afterwards (as none had the know to agree further) someone pointed out the Roman description of Picts couldnt be outrageous as it was near identical to the Colonial description of aboriginals in America.
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ReplyDeleteThe people on anthrogenica are incredibly ignorant. Take this comment
ReplyDeletehere > https://anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?15873-Which-English-dialect-do-you-speak-test&p=532391&viewfull=1#post532391.
The person, ianz91, refers to this accent as a chav British accent. They **supposedly** have British members on this forum (Alan is a rather loud mouthed one & comments afterwards) and yet not one of these "British" members bothers to correct ianz91 in a claim that, if he were to say this in the UK, would be rather insulting as it's a run of the mill southeastern / London British accent and chav only to a very ignorant/dull-witted person who thinks all British sound like the Queen or broadcasters.
They're all crap forums.
ReplyDeleteAnthrogenica is run by ill educated bullies who prefer to keep similarly ill educated people in their ranks while either banning educated/well studied people or running others off with the continual harassment.
A number on anthrogenica hang onto Eurogenes coat tails - as they really have no idea what they're doing or reading - so of course they'll be as ignorant.
Eupedia is no better than the other two with a splash of apricity (reject central) added into the mix. Take Angela for example. She claims to be Italian - she's as legit born there Italian as a banana. I have lived in Italy for years, know many, many Italians from all around the country, and when I called her out for some (stupid really & any real Italian would laugh their asses off over) claims she made about Italy/Italians she gave me an infraction.
People like her - all over the other forums - have to get lives.
Just because they don't like what is being said, even if fact/reality, doesn't mean banning, infractions, threats, etc. is going to change a darn thing except run intelligent, well educated/studied, people from the legit ethnic group, etc. off.
Well I was banned for I don't know what over at Eupedia. I was not told why. I was labeled a Sikeliot troll, who is some guy who likes to troll Southern Italians, there was a thread that I was trying to respond to that was locked. I was not aware of that and I was immediately banned. No reason given, I have tried to email them to confirm I am not this guy the Eupedia folks label as a Troll to no avail.
ReplyDeleteMy threads and I were also banned on Anthrogenica for no reason for disagreeing with an orthodox view on aDNA migration routes, except I didn't call anyone an idiot( but I was called as much). My posts were on topic, backed up by data and thoughtful analysis. I'm not sure why a site that should be dedicated to the competition of ideas and seeking of truth is so afraid of. They then banned me for a reason that wasn't actually legitimate, but there is no recourse against the decision of the anthrogenica trolls and their cronie moderators.
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