As this now archived thread on Anthrogenica shows, the two sides to the Etruscan debate are like ships passing in the night. They can't seem to agree on much. This post attempts to reconcile them, sort of, while debunking what I call the Contemporaneous Anatolian Origin of the Etruscans (CAOE) Model.
When talking about the origins of a people, it is important to specify timing as well. Even the best scientists are guilty of disobeying this rule when they speak or write in shorthand. The most obvious example is this: do you have any African blood? Do you have an African origin? You might answer, "no" if you took the question to mean in the genealogical time period (the last 500 years) or even during the post-Paleolithic time period (the last 40,000 years)!
But, as you know, everyone on the planet has an African origin if you go back long enough. All modern humans migrated out of Africa. So the same statements, "that population is of African origin" is both true and false, depending on the time context.
Let's apply this to the Etruscans.
What we have learned recently is that ALL Europeans descend from three primary groups: Western European Hunter Gatherers (who originated in Western Europe during the Mesolithic), Farmers (who migrated from the Near East during the Neolithic), and Steppe People (who migrated from the flatlands between Europe and Asia during the early Bronze Age).
When the CAOE "Etruscans are exotic" folks ply their wares, they argue that Etruscans had an origin in Anatolia or the Aegean, right before they appeared in Italy. Now, the first Etruscan sites date from approximately 900 BC. We have clear Etruscan inscriptions dating to 750 BC, so they were probably writing by 800 BC.
I have always doubted there was a mass migration of Etruscans (from the Near East) before their appearance in Italy. There are just too many facts weighing against it.
Then it dawned on me: we *all* came from the Middle East at some point. Is it possible this argument is one of degrees? That the CAOE folks have their timing wrong? That the CAOE folks should have the "C" knocked off their theory, and the disagreements would be synthesized?
Here is how it might have worked:
There was mass migration to Europe of farmers from the Near East, and it appears to have been quite strong around 3000 BC. The final waves of farmers were migrating to Europe around 2500 BC. Now is it proper to call these "Anatolians" or "Aegeans" or "Near Easterners." Insofar as those designations are intended to mean anything beyond geography: no. This was pre-race, and since these people "became" modern Europeans, any such designation is pretty meaningless. Most modern Europeans are about 40% descended from these people.
Is it possible that the Etruscans, having a stable, affluent, consistent civilization, retained more of their cultural practices, traditions, and indeed language, and thus some vague collective memory of this mass migration? Is it possible that the first Italian culture to have writing was able to transmit more culture down between the generations because of it? Because that is how it works.
In other words, ALL peoples in Europe then and now are partly descended from farmers who originated in the Middle East a long time ago. If the Etruscan people (bringing the language) was from one of the later waves, and the Etruscan society was stable and had the ability to transmit culture, could these transmissions and uniqueness be the signals that the CAOE folks misinterpret and cite as evidence for a later Anatolian origin of the Etruscans?
Let's be clear: the land of the Etruscans overlaps perfectly with the land of the Villanovans, and there is no evidence for discontinuity or rapid replacement or trauma when Villanovan culture becomes unequivocally Etruscan. I firmly believe the odds of an Etruscan "migration" event around 900-750 BC is sheer fantasy.
BUT, I think it is possible that of the peoples in Italy, the Etruscans, by holding the richest, most fertile, most well-defended, and most defendable pieces of real estate, simply did not suffer any further migrations and inflows after they established themselves in say, 2000 BC. In other words, the Indo-Europeanized peoples of Italy ALSO descend from Western Hunter Gatherers and Neolithic Farmers (and the genetic evidence CERTAINLY backs me up on this point), BUT the Indo-Europeanized peoples of Italy (Latins, Umbrians, Oscans), experienced a more recent inflow of both people and genes, which resulted in language and culture change. The Etruscans, for reasons already given, did not.
To this day there is very little genetic difference between the people of Tuscany and their neighbors in Italy. The ancient Etruscans cluster with Southern Italians genetically, which would be consistent with this theory: that the ancient Etruscans had a smidge more Neolithic Farmer, plus cultural continuity, because they did not suffer an upheaval like the other peoples, when the Iron Age Indo European speaking Steppe people invaded.
This makes good sense. This would explain also why the Etruscan language survived as a relic amidst a sea of Indo-European.
So next time you meet someone who thinks the Etruscans were contemporaneous (and ethnic) migrants to Italy from the Near East, remind them of the wealth of evidence against it. And then, if they are the reasonable type, explain to them how ALL Europeans descended in a large part from people, who DID migrate to Europe from the same areas, just 1000 years before. They could be spouting a mere truism, and be off by 1000 years or so.
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Monday, October 19, 2015
Toward A New Understanding of Etruscan Origins
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Sunday, August 30, 2015
The Top Ten Myths of Genetic Genealogy, Archaeogenetics, and DNA Testing (10 through 7)
Any scientist visiting the websites or online forums of Eupedia, Anthrogenica, or Apricity (to name a few) is mortified. The amount of shorthand claims, pseudo-science, pop-anthropology, and myths perpetuated there are truly astonishing, and quite sad. Below we list the Top Ten myths of this world. We will update the post over time to link to specific offenders, so you can share the laughs we shared.
Don't be an idiot. Learn these myths, and for the love of all things holy, don't propagate them!
10. If you are of Scandinavian heritage (Denmark, Norway, Sweden), you are a "Viking."
Example post: "my gma is half Swedish and I am very adventurous; must be the Viking LOL."
Vikings were the marauders sailing from Scandinavia who invaded many parts of Europe during the years of approximately 600 AD - 1200 AD. Those of Scandinavian blood are emphatically NOT "Viking." The Vikings were the adventurous ones who left. Scandinavians are descended of the ones who stayed home.
While Scandinavians may share common origin with the Vikings dating back 1500 years, technically it's not correct to say they are descended from them. And to the extent there is a gene for adventure-seeking, violence, or the so-called, "warrior" gene, it's more probable that the ones who stayed in Scandinavia (as fishermen and barley farmers) do NOT have that gene.
Many Russians, Ukrainians, English, Scots, Calabrians, Sicilians, and Northern French have a better claim to be "directly descended from Vikings." Sorry.
9. You can determine by a test on Eurogenes or Gedmatch the precise percentages of EEF-ANE-WHG that you are.
For the uninitiated, these acronyms stand for "Early European Farmer," "Ancient North Eurasian," and "Western [European] Hunter Gatherer."
Example post: "Username: SteppeOverlord EEF: 21.345%, ANE: 19.876% WHG 58.779."
It's important to note that these hypothetical populations were reconstructed from...ONE SAMPLE EACH. Thus, when you take the Eurogenes EEF ANE WHG test, you are comparing yourself to each of three skeletons: the EEF is the LBK sample found in Stuttgart, Germany. The ANE is the Mal'ta boy found in Siberia. The WHG is the Loschbour skeleton found in Belgium. Citation.
These populations were themselves admixed, especially the Stuttgart sample. It's not accurate to use one exemplar to represent an entire group, especially ones with the huge geographical ranges of the acronym populations. It's much more accurate to say that you tested whatever percentage in common with Loschbour, Mal'ta, or Stuttgart.
Many of the genes inherited so many generations ago will be the result of identical by state, (more or less coincidence, or breeding back, in a way), than Identical By Descent. Citation. Europeans are a homogenous lot, and these tests don't therefore reveal much, if anything, and the terminology, turned to shorthand, stinks.
8. Admixture percentages are due to a historical event.
Example post: "OMG! I am English, Irish, German, and Polish. But Dodecad says I have 6% Siberian; this must prove the legend in my family that my great-grandmother was a Cherokee princess!"
Or:
"I am South Italian. But Eurogenes says I have 12% southwest Asian. Must be the Greek blood!"
People tend to overestimate historical events (i.e., those we know about due to past events being recorded in writing), but tend to underestimate non-historical events. This is a recent-ness bias that comes from a little knowledge about history, often expressed in shorthand, (i.e., South Italy was Greek).
It is however, almost always not true. In the first example above: many Europeans, especially Northern Europeans, test positive for some Siberian/ANE/even Native-American-like ancestry, but this is almost certainly the result of ancient Admixture from the first Indo-Europeans from the steppe, who had substantial Asian-like ancestry. For the second example: the people who populated Italy in prehistoric times were descended in many cases from the first farmers, who came from the southeast fringes of Europe. Such signals in modern ancestry are way more likely to indicate ancient admixture from population sources with common ancestry to historical populations.
Sorry, but the boring is almost always more true than the interesting.
7. People from places with many years of recorded history are more admixed than people with less history.
example post: "If you are of South Italian ancestry, you're probably part Roman, Greek, Scandinavian, Arab, and Jewish."
This one is so obvious it is painful to have to post. But it's the corollary of number 8 above: a little historical knowledge being dangerous.
Imagine two regions: Region 1 is fairly remote, but has had extensive writing for 2600 years, and every marauder, political shift, kingdom, invasion, battle, language spoken, and petty dukedom is recorded in glorious detail. Imagine another region, Region 2, that has had extensive writing and civilization for only about 1100 years. There are large gaps in knowledge of what happened there, because of the lack of historians.
I just described Basilicata, Italy and Hesse, Germany. Yet so many online "mytholographers" perpetuate the notions that people like Italians, Jews, and Greeks (i.e., those with 25+ centuries of intense recorded history) are more admixed than those without such extensive documentation (i.e., Germans, French, etc.)
You can't escape this, on any online forum, people speculating on exotic sources in Italian ancestry, and almost no one does this for Germans and French.
Just because we don't know who was invading another area during prehistory or the Dark Ages, does it mean it didn't happen? Just because we don't know the name of the king who pillaged a territory, does it make him any less historical? Because there is no Trojan War story for Hesse, Germany, does it mean there was no warfare, invasion, or exotic influences?
The French and Germans are so "admixed" (i.e., generic European) that 23andme cannot identify their DNA 92% of the time. Citation. Yet the poor Greeks have to tolerate in every discussion, excruciating detail and speculation about every single exotic strain in their blood.
Aside from the remotest, hard-to-get-to, isolated regions of Europe (Finns, Northwest Irish, Basques, and Sardinians), everyone has been invaded, repeatedly, and everyone is very very admixed. The paradigm, of focusing only on certain peoples for this, has to change, because it's simply not accurate.
Don't be an idiot. Learn these myths, and for the love of all things holy, don't propagate them!
10. If you are of Scandinavian heritage (Denmark, Norway, Sweden), you are a "Viking."
Example post: "my gma is half Swedish and I am very adventurous; must be the Viking LOL."
Vikings were the marauders sailing from Scandinavia who invaded many parts of Europe during the years of approximately 600 AD - 1200 AD. Those of Scandinavian blood are emphatically NOT "Viking." The Vikings were the adventurous ones who left. Scandinavians are descended of the ones who stayed home.
While Scandinavians may share common origin with the Vikings dating back 1500 years, technically it's not correct to say they are descended from them. And to the extent there is a gene for adventure-seeking, violence, or the so-called, "warrior" gene, it's more probable that the ones who stayed in Scandinavia (as fishermen and barley farmers) do NOT have that gene.
Many Russians, Ukrainians, English, Scots, Calabrians, Sicilians, and Northern French have a better claim to be "directly descended from Vikings." Sorry.
9. You can determine by a test on Eurogenes or Gedmatch the precise percentages of EEF-ANE-WHG that you are.
For the uninitiated, these acronyms stand for "Early European Farmer," "Ancient North Eurasian," and "Western [European] Hunter Gatherer."
Example post: "Username: SteppeOverlord EEF: 21.345%, ANE: 19.876% WHG 58.779."
It's important to note that these hypothetical populations were reconstructed from...ONE SAMPLE EACH. Thus, when you take the Eurogenes EEF ANE WHG test, you are comparing yourself to each of three skeletons: the EEF is the LBK sample found in Stuttgart, Germany. The ANE is the Mal'ta boy found in Siberia. The WHG is the Loschbour skeleton found in Belgium. Citation.
These populations were themselves admixed, especially the Stuttgart sample. It's not accurate to use one exemplar to represent an entire group, especially ones with the huge geographical ranges of the acronym populations. It's much more accurate to say that you tested whatever percentage in common with Loschbour, Mal'ta, or Stuttgart.
Many of the genes inherited so many generations ago will be the result of identical by state, (more or less coincidence, or breeding back, in a way), than Identical By Descent. Citation. Europeans are a homogenous lot, and these tests don't therefore reveal much, if anything, and the terminology, turned to shorthand, stinks.
8. Admixture percentages are due to a historical event.
Example post: "OMG! I am English, Irish, German, and Polish. But Dodecad says I have 6% Siberian; this must prove the legend in my family that my great-grandmother was a Cherokee princess!"
Or:
"I am South Italian. But Eurogenes says I have 12% southwest Asian. Must be the Greek blood!"
People tend to overestimate historical events (i.e., those we know about due to past events being recorded in writing), but tend to underestimate non-historical events. This is a recent-ness bias that comes from a little knowledge about history, often expressed in shorthand, (i.e., South Italy was Greek).
It is however, almost always not true. In the first example above: many Europeans, especially Northern Europeans, test positive for some Siberian/ANE/even Native-American-like ancestry, but this is almost certainly the result of ancient Admixture from the first Indo-Europeans from the steppe, who had substantial Asian-like ancestry. For the second example: the people who populated Italy in prehistoric times were descended in many cases from the first farmers, who came from the southeast fringes of Europe. Such signals in modern ancestry are way more likely to indicate ancient admixture from population sources with common ancestry to historical populations.
Sorry, but the boring is almost always more true than the interesting.
7. People from places with many years of recorded history are more admixed than people with less history.
example post: "If you are of South Italian ancestry, you're probably part Roman, Greek, Scandinavian, Arab, and Jewish."
This one is so obvious it is painful to have to post. But it's the corollary of number 8 above: a little historical knowledge being dangerous.
Imagine two regions: Region 1 is fairly remote, but has had extensive writing for 2600 years, and every marauder, political shift, kingdom, invasion, battle, language spoken, and petty dukedom is recorded in glorious detail. Imagine another region, Region 2, that has had extensive writing and civilization for only about 1100 years. There are large gaps in knowledge of what happened there, because of the lack of historians.
I just described Basilicata, Italy and Hesse, Germany. Yet so many online "mytholographers" perpetuate the notions that people like Italians, Jews, and Greeks (i.e., those with 25+ centuries of intense recorded history) are more admixed than those without such extensive documentation (i.e., Germans, French, etc.)
You can't escape this, on any online forum, people speculating on exotic sources in Italian ancestry, and almost no one does this for Germans and French.
Just because we don't know who was invading another area during prehistory or the Dark Ages, does it mean it didn't happen? Just because we don't know the name of the king who pillaged a territory, does it make him any less historical? Because there is no Trojan War story for Hesse, Germany, does it mean there was no warfare, invasion, or exotic influences?
The French and Germans are so "admixed" (i.e., generic European) that 23andme cannot identify their DNA 92% of the time. Citation. Yet the poor Greeks have to tolerate in every discussion, excruciating detail and speculation about every single exotic strain in their blood.
Aside from the remotest, hard-to-get-to, isolated regions of Europe (Finns, Northwest Irish, Basques, and Sardinians), everyone has been invaded, repeatedly, and everyone is very very admixed. The paradigm, of focusing only on certain peoples for this, has to change, because it's simply not accurate.
Check back soon for the rest of the Top 10 list.
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