Judy G. Russell, the Legal Genealogist, is out with a fantastic new post on AncestryDNA's new ethnicity estimate percentages.
As she wryly notes in the opening, she is delighted to find out that they have discovered that Germans exist.
We've wrote about this before, as have others. The major testing sites -- some of which are run by people who seem hostile to Germans (America's biggest ethnic group) -- have written Germans off the map. 23andme is particularly bad at identifying German DNA. They disclose it too, but they bury it in the fine print.
We have been repeatedly depressed by newbies, who know from good paper records that they are a quarter German (or Swiss, or French, or Austrian) say, "duh, gee, duh, this unscientific website tells me I am really 21.2% English wow gee duh am I adopted?" NO! The science isn't there yet. As Judy Russell says, "it's not quite soup."
And it STILL isn't quite soup. This post focuses on Germans, but the major testing services have an equal problem with Italians, another major American ethnic group. Poor Italians who get tested often end up with anything but Italian. (Spare me your pseudoscience on how Italy has been invaded. EVERY country has been invaded.) Italy is a long country with many peaks and valleys, and for much of its history was an exporter of population to surrounding areas. The testing sites need more samples to identify all the different permutations of Italians.
Bottom line, as we've said before, and as every credible scientist says - DO NOT TRUST the ethnicity estimates of the testing services.
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Showing posts with label German dna. Show all posts
Showing posts with label German dna. Show all posts
Sunday, June 10, 2018
Ancestry DNA Issues Revised Ancestry Estimates, Finds that Germans Exist
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ancestry,
AncestryDNA,
ethnic calculators,
ethnicity,
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genetic genealogy,
German dna,
German heritage,
Italian DNA,
Italian genetics,
Italian race,
Where did Italians come from
Tuesday, July 18, 2017
Will Tim Sullivan and Ancestry.com Continue Its VIRTUAL Ethnic Cleansing of Germans?
23andme discloses right off the bat that it cannot identify German or French ancestry 92% of the time.
Ancestry doesn't seem to be able to discern German ancestry too well either, but it doesn't tell its customers that.
Noted: Yet another reader of this blogger just wrote in and shared her experience. She is 100% German, born in Germany, from a small town, not a big city. Her ancestors are documented in the region she's from for the last 400 years. Several of them were well-known and documented.
Ancestry.com called her ancestry as about 50% Scandinavian, 25% Italian, and 25% generic European. What an epic fail.
How many "white bread" regular Americans, with German ancestry take one of these tests, and misleadingly, their German ancestry is literally wiped away?
We note Germans are America's LARGEST ethnic group, but their ancestry is also often hidden, because German surnames Americanize so well. For example, Kohl becomes Cole; Schmidt becomes Smith, etc.
As an experiment, with our reader's permission, we ran her raw data through Gedmatch. Both MDLP (the Magnus Ducatus Lituaniae Project) and Eurogenes were able to call her likeliest ancestry as German. Dodecad, which specializes in Mediterraneans, was able to call her as German in about half of its tests.
So the question remains:
1. If the amateurs can call German DNA with reasonable regularity, why the heck can't Ancestry.com?
2. If Ancestry.com is so bad at identifying America's biggest ethnic group, why doesn't it do the decent thing and tell people?
Ancestry doesn't seem to be able to discern German ancestry too well either, but it doesn't tell its customers that.
Noted: Yet another reader of this blogger just wrote in and shared her experience. She is 100% German, born in Germany, from a small town, not a big city. Her ancestors are documented in the region she's from for the last 400 years. Several of them were well-known and documented.
Ancestry.com called her ancestry as about 50% Scandinavian, 25% Italian, and 25% generic European. What an epic fail.
How many "white bread" regular Americans, with German ancestry take one of these tests, and misleadingly, their German ancestry is literally wiped away?
We note Germans are America's LARGEST ethnic group, but their ancestry is also often hidden, because German surnames Americanize so well. For example, Kohl becomes Cole; Schmidt becomes Smith, etc.
As an experiment, with our reader's permission, we ran her raw data through Gedmatch. Both MDLP (the Magnus Ducatus Lituaniae Project) and Eurogenes were able to call her likeliest ancestry as German. Dodecad, which specializes in Mediterraneans, was able to call her as German in about half of its tests.
So the question remains:
1. If the amateurs can call German DNA with reasonable regularity, why the heck can't Ancestry.com?
2. If Ancestry.com is so bad at identifying America's biggest ethnic group, why doesn't it do the decent thing and tell people?
Labels:
23andme,
admixture,
ancestry compositions,
ancestry.com,
Cathy Petti,
commercial dna tests,
dna testing,
Dodecad,
Eurogenes,
genetics,
German dna,
German heritage,
Germans,
Howard Hochauser,
Ken Chahine
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